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Form team/group to define "embedding requirements" #51
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There is ongoing work to allow Node.js to be built as a static or shared library. This allows Node.js to be embedded in the process of another application. See nodejs/node#14158, which is also being backported to 8.X and 6.X (nodejs/node#19047, nodejs/node#19050).
@yhwang is currently working on adding testing to the CI. That testing, however, will just be to make sure that the existing Node.js tests cases pass when using the static/shared library.
After that, we will want to add testing that covers typical use cases related to embedding Node.js into an application using either the static or shared libraries. I believe as part of that we'll also find that there are still some things missing. I just ran across this PR nodejs/node#19005 which aims to address some of those kinds of things.
At this point, I'm wondering if there is enough interest to form a group that would work together or a number of months (maybe more) on defining and validating the different embedding use cases. The work would likely be:
- Define/Document use cases
- For each use case:
- Build test case to cover use case
- Identify any missing functionality
- Add functionality
- add test case to CI.
@yhwang
@nodejs/delivery-channels
@addaleax
@luminosuslight, @cmfcmf, @Hannes01071995, @justus-hildebrand, @msoechting
@nodejs/tsc
@dshaw
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mhdawson commentedon Apr 26, 2018
@groundwater I was hoping you might be interested in this, wondering if you go the ping through @nodejs/delivery-channels
rogerwang commentedon Apr 27, 2018
Thanks for CCing. We NW.js maintainers would like to keep an eye on this. Though we just released NW.js 0.30.1 with Node.js 10.0.0 within 24 hours, rebasing with latest Node.js is still a significant effort. We are interested in this topic on how to integrate Node more easily.
mhdawson commentedon Apr 27, 2018
@rogerwang thanks for replying, will include you when we get things rolling
groundwater commentedon Apr 27, 2018
Hi @mhdawson. Thanks for this! We have a number of folks at JSConf EU, and I believe there is a node's summit occurring shortly beforehand. Would it be worth sending a few of our folks to kick this discussion off in-person?
MylesBorins commentedon Apr 27, 2018
kapouer commentedon Apr 27, 2018
Hello, yesterday i enabled the
--sharedflag on node 10 debian package. Worked perfectly and this is really cool. I thinkmake installshould continue to install the executable (the one linked to the built lib) though.Not yet ready on my side, but it's going to bring a lot of improvements with respect to packaged addons, and multiarch support in debian. I'll follow up on issues tracker if necessary. I wish i could share my enthousiasm regarding how nodejs has matured and is getting easier and easier to distribute...
mhdawson commentedon Apr 27, 2018
@groundwater I don't necessarily want to wait to start discussing and possibly meeting remotely until after the summit (not everybody will be at the summit either), but getting together in person at the summit would be great.
groundwater commentedon Apr 27, 2018
@mhdawson agreed. Would you like to kick this off asynchronously or via a synchronous video discussion?
addaleax commentedon Apr 27, 2018
I’d definitely like to be involved in this, yes.
Also, maybe /cc @fs-eire … please let me know if this is not the kind of thing you want to be pinged in, but it sounded like you might be somebody who wants to be aware that this is happening?
mhdawson commentedon May 1, 2018
I think starting with a video call to get together to review what I suggested above as the way forward and to agree on the best way to work together (github, regular meetings or whatever). I'll get together with @yhwang to set up a kickoff meeting.
mhdawson commentedon May 3, 2018
@gireeshpunathil FYI.
davicrig commentedon May 4, 2018
We currently embed the shared library in IBM Integration Bus, we recently updated in quick succession from node 4 through 6 to node 8 and found the upgrade process pretty painful so anything we can do to help stabilise the interfaces or improve our own integration would be a benefit to us.
We are a bit unusual in that we also embed a JVM and on windows platforms a CLR as well so we may have some use cases / problems that other users do not so might bring some different use cases to the table.
mhdawson commentedon May 7, 2018
@davicrig sounds good, your insight will be valuable.
yhwang commentedon May 8, 2018
With @mhdawson help, we plan to have a conference call to discuss about the shared lib usage and try to form the group for embedding users. Here is the agenda:
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Feel free to add item into the agenda for discussion.
I created a doodle poll for the conference call ==> https://doodle.com/poll/tamxygwfsgh5dr5w. Please select your available time slots then we may select a proper time for the conference call once the most people who are interested in vote.
mhdawson commentedon May 10, 2018
@gabrielschulhof adding you as an FYI as from your comments in a different issue I'm hoping you are interested in participating here as well.
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mhdawson commentedon Jan 23, 2019
@kevin thanks for the heads up. @rubys is away for a few weeks but when he gets back we'll see if we can get this initiative going again and then point info on participation in this issue.