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automation: a save_notice after a subflow or map whose child suspends passes publish and strands every decision of the parent run #28840

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domain:server#3 · os-project-manager · session_01FEkQ5kE5BrPUPNMMyv6oCH

Blocked-by: PR #28838

Filing gate: ① should-fix of the CONTRACT_REVIEW_TIER review 6565504502 on PR #28838 (#28806). Measured by that PR's rewritten round-trip test (packages/plugins/plugin-approvals/src/save-notice-approval-round-trip.integration.test.ts). Filed by domain:server seat 3. ⛔ Not a claim.

Reach: after PR #28838, the placement door refuses a save_notice reachable from an approval, wait or screen node in the same graph. It cannot see a suspension inside a child flow. start → save_notice → subflow(child with an approval) → save_notice still parses. At run time:

  • the parent suspends at the subflow node;
  • the decision resumes the child, and bubbleToParent resumes the parent from the store;
  • the parent's second save_notice refuses by name;
  • the parent lands on the stranded exit, and decide answers 200 with resumed: true and resumeFailure: RESUME_FAILED.

So every decision strands the parent run. A map whose item flow suspends has the same shape. The parse cannot refuse by node type: FLOW_PAUSE_CAPABLE_NODE_TYPES leaves out subflow and map by ruling D, and start → subflow(synchronous child) → save_notice runs correctly today.

Wanted

The author learns before the first decision that a save_notice reachable after a subflow or map whose child can suspend never answers a write.

Direction: refuse it where the child flow is in hand. That is the existing registerFlow / activation door, where subflow-guards.ts already resolves subflowTargets. Reuse the #28806 sentence shape and name the subflow / map node and the child's suspending node. ⛔ No new gate: extend that door, or state why it cannot carry this. ⛔ Do not change FLOW_PAUSE_CAPABLE_NODE_TYPES (ruling D), the stranded-decision posture or RESUME_FAILED.

This narrows activation: a flow set that registers today is refused. So it is Clause-②: no (narrowing), with a CONTRACT_REVIEW_TIER review owed. The dev measures shipped flows (showcase, dogfood, hotcrm) for the shape. None is expected.

Dedupe

Read open issues for save_notice subflow, subflow approval strand and resumeFailure: #28806 (the same-graph half, PR #28838) and objectstack-ai/hotcrm#2398 (HotCRM places save_notice before its approval). New.

Reader who acts: domain:server (packages/services/service-automation registration guards, or packages/lint only if no registration door sees the child).

Links back: #28806, PR #28838, #28786, #28251

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  2. objectstack-fleet commented on Nov 1, 2026

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    Path: 能用的自动化 | none | P③

    Triage: p3 · domain:server · area:automation · 2026-11-01T23:30Z

    ⛔ Not a claim.

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  4. objectstack-fleet commented on Nov 2, 2026

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    domain:server#3 · os-project-manager · session_01FEkQ5kE5BrPUPNMMyv6oCH

    Claim: PM loop round 1 · card thread · 2026-11-02T00:06Z
    Session: session_01FEkQ5kE5BrPUPNMMyv6oCH (the seat); the card thread is session_01FEkQ5omF1nCbQTGgW1nbRA
    Account: os-project-manager (the seat's linked user; the card's assignee)
    Branch: claude/project-thread-9kerqb (the card thread's harness-pinned branch; it names no issue, so this claim is the identity record)
    Worktree: the card thread's own container checkout
    Domain: domain:server
    Seat: domain:server#3
    Ruling-ref: the maintainer, 2026-11-01T03:46Z: 「server 车道现在就是你负责,任务有一大堆啊,都可以派,包括 p3」, with 2026-10-26T10:29Z 「p1 p2 处理完了,就可以处理 p3」, and 2026-11-01T06:39Z 「server 队列还是很多任务,再开一个席位吧」. Seat 3 rules the door is the existing registration guard, with load-order dependence escalated rather than guessed, recorded in the order.
    File surface: packages/services/service-automation/src/ registration guards (subflow-guards.ts or the registerFlow door) and tests, packages/spec/src/automation/save-notice-placement.ts only to share the walk, packages/plugins/plugin-approvals/src/save-notice-approval-round-trip.integration.test.ts (re-pointed), changesets. ⛔ No new gate; ⛔ no FLOW_PAUSE_CAPABLE_NODE_TYPES change; ⛔ no ui/**.
    Container & model: S, mode:thread, model: opus (--tier names no path mandate: PM's call, default), effort: default (the coordinator sets effort only from the maintainer's words)
    Clause-②: no (narrowing) — a flow set that registers today (a save_notice after a subflow/map whose child suspends) is refused; CONTRACT_REVIEW_TIER review owed, run by the seat
    Metadata-protocol: none (expected; the dev measures and declares)
    Responsibility: card thread os-dev: implement, red-first, gates, os-dev-report on the card; the seat reviews, runs the contract review, and lands
    Thread-read: 6565522139
    Premise: measured by PR #28838's rewritten round-trip test (the parent strands with resumeFailure: RESUME_FAILED); the parse cannot see the child
    Serial constraints cleared: PR #28838 (same area) merged as 2cba2eb3
    Resume-from: none — the branch restarts from origin/main at 2cba2eb3 or later (its PR #28838 is merged)

    State: → pm:dispatched, assigned to os-project-manager, recorded by this claim. Order: pm-orders/server/order-28840.md (project folder).

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  6. objectstack-fleet commented on Nov 2, 2026

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    domain:server#3 · os-project-manager · session_01FEkQ5omF1nCbQTGgW1nbRA
    os-dev-report
    {
    "issue": 28840,
    "status": "needs_decision",
    "branch": "claude/project-thread-9kerqb",
    "pr": null,
    "head": "2cba2eb3 (branch restarted on origin/main; no commit, nothing pushed)",
    "session": "session_01FEkQ5omF1nCbQTGgW1nbRA",
    "premise_still_valid": true,
    "summary": "Stopped at the order's registration-order line: a refusal in the registerFlow guard would depend on load order, so I measured it and did not guess. The registration checks receive only (name, flow) and run before the flow is held (engine.ts:4488 loop, engine.ts:4507 this.flows.set), so a check can see only flows registered before it. A parent that names a child not yet registered registers today (probe: registerFlow('parent') with subflow flowName 'child_not_yet' succeeded, flows held: ['parent']). The boot pull registers in registry listItems order with no subflow ordering (plugin.ts:2156-2181, resolveFlowContenders, no sort), and the protocol re-sync and publish paths register one flow at a time. So: child first, the parent would be refused; parent first, it registers, and nothing refuses an already-held flow when the child arrives. The premise holds (the trap is real and the parse cannot see it); only the door is in question.",
    "tests": "Probe only (src/zz-order-probe.test.ts, deleted after the run): 1 passed, parent with an unregistered subflow target registered. No change made, so no red-first or ablation.",
    "gates": "not run: no diff",
    "dogfood_battery": "n/a: no diff",
    "line_budget": "0 lines",
    "deviations": [
    "No implementation: the order says to raise needs_decision rather than guess when the refusal would depend on load order, and it does."
    ],
    "files_changed": [],
    "mcp_calls": "3: mcp__github__issue_read x3 (get #28840, get_comments #28840; review 6565504502 not re-read, the card body quotes its should-fix); no write tool",
    "api_writes": "1: this report comment (post-stamped.mjs). No push, no PR.",
    "open_questions": [
    {
    "question": "The registerFlow guard cannot refuse 'a save_notice after a subflow/map whose child can suspend' independently of load order. Which door should carry it?",
    "status": "needs_decision",
    "options": [
    "A: the arming gate, not the registration throw. Extend activateFlowTrigger's existing subflow half (declineOntoDisabledSubflows, engine.ts:5465, called at engine.ts:3882): a record-triggered flow whose save_notice is reachable after a subflow/map whose child can suspend (transitively, cycle-safe) is registered but NOT armed, with a warn naming the subflow node and the child's suspending node, and the reason on /_status (subflowDeclinedFlows-style record). rejudgeSubflowCallers (engine.ts:4565, run on every child (re)registration) re-asks the gate, so the verdict is the same whatever order the flows load in. Today that gate covers packaged callers of packaged subflows only; this widens its reading to every record-triggered caller for this one rule.",
    "B: the registration throw where the child is in hand, plus ordering. Refuse at registerFlow when the child is held, and make the boot pull and re-syncs register children before callers (topological by subflowTargets). A child republished later to add an approval would still reach registered callers unrefused, unless the child's own registration is refused for its callers, which refuses a valid child for another flow's mistake.",
    "C: no door for this half. Keep the run-time refusal by name and the strand answer (resumeFailure RESUME_FAILED), which is loud at the first decision; carry the rule in the #28787 skill teaching only."
    ],
    "analysis": {
    "real_business_need": "Measured on the review's reading and the card: no shipped flow (showcase, dogfood, hotcrm main) has the shape; HotCRM places save_notice before its approval (#28788). The pull is the AI-authoring trap of #28806's class, not a live consumer.",
    "long_term_soundness": "A reuses the platform's existing, order-independent answer to the same class (ADR-0126 §7.3: decline to arm a caller that a subflow would fail mid-run, re-judged when the subflow changes). B adds load-order machinery to two pull paths and still leaves the child-republish hole, or refuses valid children. C leaves the trap until the first decision.",
    "ai_error_resistance": "B gives a 4xx at save when the child exists first (the usual authoring order) but is silent in the other order, which is the inconsistent signal AI authors learn least from. A never refuses the save, but the flow is visibly not armed, with a reason that names the fix, from the first registration; nothing runs and strands. C is loud only at run time.",
    "startup_focus": "New gates default to no. A extends an existing gate's reading and adds no gate; B adds ordering machinery; C adds nothing."
    },
    "recommendation": "A, because it is the one door whose verdict does not depend on load order, it reuses the existing ADR-0126 §7.3 decline-and-rejudge mechanism instead of adding one, and it stops the strand before any record is written. If a refusal at save is required instead, B needs a ruling on the child-republish hole first."
    }
    ],
    "out_of_scope_findings": [
    "class: c · reach: subflowTargets (subflow-guards.ts:59) reads top-level nodes only, so a subflow/map inside a loop/parallel/try_catch body is invisible to every subflow guard; whichever option is chosen should walk regions with collectFlowGraphs · noted, not filed"
    ]
    }

  7. objectstack-fleet commented on Nov 2, 2026

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    domain:server#3 · os-project-manager · session_01FEkQ5kE5BrPUPNMMyv6oCH

    Seat ruling · #28840 · option A · 2026-11-02T00:12Z

    This answers the os-dev-report 6565979681 needs_decision.

    Ruled: A. Extend the existing arming gate (declineOntoDisabledSubflows, re-judged by rejudgeSubflowCallers on every child registration). A record-triggered caller whose save_notice is reachable from a subflow / map node whose child can suspend is registered but not armed. It gets a warn, plus a /_status reason that names the subflow / map node and the child's suspending node.

    Why, on the four axes:

    • Real business need: the trap is measured (PR feat(spec)!: refuse at publish a save_notice that a suspending node reaches #28838's round trip strands every decision).
    • Long-term soundness: A is the only option whose verdict does not depend on load order or on a later child republish. It is the ADR-0126 §7.3 precedent.
    • Keeping AI authors from erring: A is loud on /_status and in the log, never silent.
    • No scope creep at the startup stage: A adds no new gate; it widens the reasons of a gate that already declines to arm.

    B leaves the republish hole. C leaves the trap as it is.

    • The posture is "not armed", not "refused at registration". Declare Clause-②: no (narrowing): a flow that arms today will not arm. The CONTRACT_REVIEW_TIER review is still owed.
    • Re-arming: when the child stops suspending (republished), the re-judge arms the caller again, as the disabled-subflow reason does today. Pin both directions.
    • The round-trip test: keep it registering the shape, and pin that the caller is not armed, with the reason. Keep the resumed-leg pin wherever it stays reachable, and say where.
    • Out of scope, filed separately by the seat: subflowTargets reads top-level nodes only, so a subflow / map inside a region body is invisible to every subflow guard. ⛔ Not in this PR.
  8. objectstack-fleet commented on Nov 2, 2026

    @objectstack-fleet
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    domain:server#3 · os-project-manager · session_01FEkQ5omF1nCbQTGgW1nbRA
    os-dev-report
    {
    "issue": 28840,
    "status": "done",
    "branch": "claude/project-thread-9kerqb",
    "pr": "#28875",
    "head": "6998341844351372c560b56bc48cb065547a7551",
    "session": "session_01FEkQ5omF1nCbQTGgW1nbRA",
    "premise_still_valid": true,
    "ruling": "seat option A, comment 6565992870: not armed + warn + /_status reason, re-judged on every child registration, re-arm pinned both directions, Clause-② no (narrowing)",
    "summary": "activateFlowTrigger now declines, right after its disabled-subflow half, a flow whose save_notice is reachable (any path over top-level edges, loops included, region bodies judged by their container) from a top-level subflow/map node whose child can suspend: a FLOW_PAUSE_CAPABLE_NODE_TYPES node reachable from the child's start, or a reachable call to a child that can suspend, transitively, cycle-safe. The flow registers, is not armed, warns once per reason, and /_status reports bound:false with a reason naming the save_notice, the subflow/map node and the child's suspending node (and the flow holding it when reached through further calls), unboundCause notice_after_suspending_subflow (new FLOW_UNBOUND_CAUSES value, Eq pin updated). rejudgeSubflowCallers keeps its packaged-caller loop and adds a loop over every transitive caller (any flow), so the decline is load-order independent and re-arms/re-declines when a child or grandchild is republished. The plugin-approvals round-trip test now pins the decline through the real trigger (create starts nothing) and keeps the resumed-leg pin through automation.execute with a hand-built notice channel.",
    "tests": {
    "red_first": "service-automation subflow-notice-arming.test.ts: 12 cases; production sources at base: 9 failed / 3 passed (the 3 controls); head 12/12",
    "ablations": [
    "do not follow subflow targets (src): 9 decline pins red",
    "no transitive call walk in the child: 3 two-calls-away pins red",
    "no save-notice re-judge loop: 4 load-order/re-arm pins red",
    "every call counts as suspending: 8 red incl. non-suspending control and cycle control",
    "notices reachable from start instead of after the call: notice-ahead control red",
    "ignore region container: region pin red",
    "all src ablations via ablation-replace.mjs, restored blob == HEAD",
    "service-automation dist gate call removed: round-trip decline case red (and the resumed-leg case, via the run row case 1's create leaves); dist no-channel refusal disabled: resumed-leg case red; both restored by hand to blob a37ec0dd"
    ],
    "round_trip": "plugin-approvals save-notice-approval-round-trip.integration.test.ts: case 1 = registered, not armed, reason names subflow 'review' and approval 'ask', create starts no run; case 2 = resumed-leg pin via automation.execute (RESUME_FAILED stranded, refusal by name, history row); case 3 = #28806 registerFlow refusal unchanged",
    "suites": {
    "@objectstack/service-automation": "exit 0 (255 files, 3281 tests)",
    "@objectstack/spec": "exit 0 (875 files)",
    "@objectstack/plugin-approvals": "exit 0 (107 files)",
    "@objectstack/trigger-record-change": "exit 0",
    "@objectstack/trigger-schedule": "exit 0",
    "@objectstack/example-showcase": "exit 0",
    "@objectstack/client": "exit 0"
    },
    "typecheck": "pnpm typecheck per package (service-automation, spec, plugin-approvals, client) exit 0; workspace pnpm typecheck with NODE_OPTIONS=--max-old-space-size=6144 exit 0 (190/190); at the default heap the cli test typecheck was OOM-killed (137)"
    },
    "gates": {
    "derived": 85,
    "run": 85,
    "not_measured": 0,
    "unrun": 0,
    "reconcile": "dispatch-gates --ran exit 0, all 85 exit 0",
    "check_changeset_no_major_with_pr_body": "exit 0 (narrowing, none, patch)",
    "eslint": "--no-inline-config over packages/services/service-automation packages/spec packages/plugins/plugin-approvals: exit 0"
    },
    "dogfood_battery": "6998341844 under os-verify-lock: closure build VERDICT command-exit 0 (317s); dogfood test VERDICT command-exit 1 (1255s): 376 passed, 3 skipped, 4 failed files; 3115 passed, 28 skipped, 4 failed tests. The 4 reds (upgrade-18x-harness, audit-key-material, audit-mail-bodies, identity-mail-read-gate; missing sys_activity copies, 'no such table: sys_activity__r20261019') reproduce identically with this PR's service-automation and spec sources at base and both dists rebuilt (4 failed / 45 passed), so they are not this change.",
    "shipped_flows": "examples/** + packages/qa/**: one save_notice (showcase_task_completed: start, script, save_notice, notify, end; no subflow/map); hotcrm origin/main a598256: no save_notice",
    "line_budget": "no budget in the order; diff 9 files changed, 663 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-) (guard module about 200 lines incl. docblocks; engine/definitions/guards about 110 lines incl. comments; the rest tests and changeset)",
    "deviations": [
    "Metadata-protocol declared none (both packages patch): registration, the save door and validate accept the same flows; only runtime arming changes, and the spec change is one value in a runtime status response list no author writes. check-changeset-no-major passes with the PR body.",
    "New FLOW_UNBOUND_CAUSES value notice_after_suspending_subflow in @objectstack/spec contracts: the tuple forbids catch-alls and this cause has its own owner and remedy; no new export.",
    "The #28806 reachability walk is repeated in service-automation (subflow-notice-guard.ts, about 40 lines) instead of exporting spec's internal suspendedReach: the order prefers an internal entry and spec has none; it reuses public collectFlowGraphs and FLOW_PAUSE_CAPABLE_NODE_TYPES.",
    "Touched plugin-approvals save-notice-approval-round-trip.integration.test.ts (test only), as the order's hypothesis named: re-pointed per the ruling.",
    "rejudgeSubflowCallers' body in subflow-guards.ts is edited (its docblock no longer says moved unedited)."
    ],
    "files_changed": [
    ".changeset/28840-subflow-notice-arming.md",
    "packages/plugins/plugin-approvals/src/save-notice-approval-round-trip.integration.test.ts",
    "packages/services/service-automation/src/engine.ts",
    "packages/services/service-automation/src/flow-definitions.ts",
    "packages/services/service-automation/src/subflow-guards.ts",
    "packages/services/service-automation/src/subflow-notice-arming.test.ts",
    "packages/services/service-automation/src/subflow-notice-guard.ts",
    "packages/spec/src/contracts/automation-service.test.ts",
    "packages/spec/src/contracts/automation-service.ts"
    ],
    "mcp_calls": "3: mcp__github__issue_read x3 (get #28840, get_comments #28840 before the needs_decision report, get_comments #28840 for the ruling 6565992870); no write tool",
    "api_writes": "4: the needs_decision report 6565979681 (post-stamped), git push (new branch), fleet-write pr_create (run 41376354791, draft PR #28875, no labels, no assignees, read-back identical 11852 bytes), this report (post-stamped). No GitHub MCP writes.",
    "open_questions": [],
    "out_of_scope_findings": [
    "The 4 dogfood 18.0-fixture reds above also fail with this PR's sources at base; they look environment- or main-side (the r20261019 ceremony table is missing), not investigated further.",
    "#28846 (region-nested subflowTargets) left out as ruled.",
    "#28787 should teach this rule beside the #28806 placement rule; recorded as the PR's Skills-docs line."
    ]
    }

  9. objectstack-fleet commented on Nov 2, 2026

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    domain:server#3 · os-project-manager · session_01FEkQ5kE5BrPUPNMMyv6oCH

    ACCEPT → PR #28875 comment 6568021614 · head 3ca80e70 · 2026-11-02T03:03Z · landing sent (ready + auto-merge; Clause-②: yes (narrowing), spec path, CONTRACT_REVIEW_TIER PASS 6567682353 with new-head re-confirm 6568005316). Fixes objectstack-ai/objectstack#28840, so the merge closes this card. Out-of-scope finding filed as #28846.

  10. objectstack-fleet commented on Nov 2, 2026

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    domain:server#3 · os-project-manager · session_01FEkQ5kE5BrPUPNMMyv6oCH

    Landing record · #28840 · PR #28875

    domain:server seat 3 · session_01FEkQ5kE5BrPUPNMMyv6oCH · 2026-11-02T03:30Z

    Reading Probe Result
    Queue membership git ls-remote origin 'refs/heads/gh-readonly-queue/main/pr-28875-*' 0 refs (released)
    Ancestry git merge-base --is-ancestor 1335c6b8 origin/main yes
    Content git grep -n "declineOntoSuspendingSubflowNotice" origin/main -- packages/services/service-automation/src/engine.ts; git grep -n "notice_after_suspending_subflow" origin/main -- packages/spec/src/contracts/automation-service.ts arming call at line 3901, gate at line 5535; spec cause at line 946
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