delete confirmation does not name the record and confirms with a neutral "Continue" — the destructive alert-dialog variant is not used

Filing gate: ① user-visible UX defect on a destructive action — reach: row delete on any object list, measured; separate card under the maintainer's quota exception (provenance below).
Reader: objectui triage first-touch → domain:ui lane (packages/plugin-view, packages/core recordDelete); one PR.
Dedup (semantic search, open + closed, objectui): "delete confirmation dialog does not name the record, generic Confirm Action Continue button not destructive" → 9 hits, all closed; objectui#8978 added the destructive (red) confirm button to alert-dialog, objectui#11001 moved the detail-page delete onto the in-app dialog; none covers this dialog's copy or button.

Environment: framework ce577ec4 showcase booted with objectstack dev --ui --seed-admin on its own port and SQLite file; console = objectui f9f4a62d (apps/console Vite dev server, and a production vite build for timings); Chromium 141 headless, 1440×900, seeded admin.

Repro

Showcase → Data Model → Products → a row's "⋮" menu → Delete.
Actual dialog: title "Confirm Action", body "Are you sure you want to delete this record?", buttons "Cancel" / "Continue" — the confirming button is the default (primary) style, not destructive, and nothing names which record (here "QA Widget 0") or that the action is a delete.
Clicking "Continue" deletes the row (verified via GET /api/v1/data/showcase_product).

Where

packages/plugin-view/src/ObjectView.tsx — deleteConfirmDialog: title actionConfirm.title ("Confirm Action"), confirm actionConfirm.confirm ("Continue"), body recordDelete.confirmText(…, deleteRequest?.records[0]) (packages/core/src/actions/recordDelete.ts) — the record is in hand but its name is not used. The detail page's delete reads the same generic text (packages/app-shell/src/views/RecordDetailView.tsx).

Expected

A delete confirm says what is deleted ("Delete Product "QA Widget 0"?", bulk: "Delete 3 Tasks?") and confirms with a destructive-styled "Delete" button.

Provenance: filed as a separate card on the maintainer's explicit instruction in the dispatching session, which lifts the per-fire filing quota for this batch of seven, verbatim — 「重新思考以上和用户体验相关的问题，哪些需要立卡」 then 「分开立 7 张」. Found during a browser dogfood sweep of the console; companion checklist card #11672. Filed by session session_01WEARdKfDHDT7rTuEhLyT1k.

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Path: ② the capabilities an end user meets in the app — record pages | 缺项 | P2

Triage: first grade — `enhancement` · `priority:p3` · `domain:ui` · `area:records` · `pm:queue`. The delete confirmation names the record and confirms with a destructive, explicit action

Triage seat (objectstack-wide, seat post objectstack-ai/objectstack#6015) · session_01AavokzJ5DndAwitDXvKy4U · 2026-10-06T06:59Z. ⛔ Not a claim, ⛔ not a dispatch. Re-read on objectui main (c3623eb116): live, and not a duplicate of objectui#11674–#11690.

Triage: lands in packages/plugin-view/src/ObjectView.tsx (about :3132 and :3164), packages/plugin-detail/src/RecordDetailView.tsx (about :2617), packages/core/src/actions/recordDelete.ts (confirmText, about :115–:124) and packages/components/src/ui/alert-dialog.tsx (no destructive variant, about :108–:116) ⇒ domain:ui; rationale: the dialog uses generic text and a neutral "Continue".

Done when:
- The confirmation names the record by its title field and the object label, and the confirm button reads as a deletion ("Delete") in the destructive style, translated in every locale.
- Both call sites share the one text.
Pin: deleting a named record shows its title and a destructive "Delete" button in en and zh-CN.

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Claim: PM loop round 1
Session: session_01CGZy1BGCjdN5cXqL9cnvB8
Account: os-support-ai
Branch: claude/issue-11695-delete-confirm-names-record
Worktree: objectui-issue-11695
Domain: domain:ui
Seat: domain:ui#3
File surface: packages/plugin-view/src/ObjectView.tsx (deleteConfirmDialog, about :3123–:3170, and its default strings about :545–:546); packages/core/src/actions/recordDelete.ts (confirmText); the detail page's delete confirmation (the dev locates it: RecordDetailView in packages/plugin-detail or packages/app-shell); packages/components/src/ui/alert-dialog.tsx only if no destructive confirm style exists yet (the card body names objectui#8978 as having added one; check first); packages/i18n/src/locales/*.ts for the new delete wording only; the tests beside them; and .changeset/11695-*.md (stop on breach; explain in the report)
Container & model: M, mode:subagent, model: opus (dispatch-gates --tier --repo objectstack-ai/objectui: no path-derived mandate; default tier)
Clause-②: yes
Thread-read: 6011124623
Serial constraints cleared: none blocking. No open objectui PR touches these files (read 2026-10-06T16:46Z). Same axis (area:records): this seat's objectui#11690 (PR objectui#11732) edits packages/plugin-view/src/ViewTabBar.tsx, a different file in the same package; objectui#11723 edits ConsoleToaster.tsx and the drawer host. Seats 1 and 2's open in-flight cards (objectui#11689, #11704) are on other files.

Why Clause-②: yes: the confirmation is "translated in every locale" (triage), so new keys land in @object-ui/i18n's exported packs, and confirmText or alert-dialog may gain an input. That widens a published surface: a minor changeset.

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os-dev-report

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  "summary": "Delete confirmations now name what they delete and confirm with a destructive Delete. One record: title 'Delete Product \"QA Widget 0\"?' (zh '删除Product“QA Widget 0”？'). A selection: 'Delete 3 Product records?'. The confirm button reads Delete, painted with buttonVariants({ variant: 'destructive' }). The body is the existing question (plain, batch, or ADR-0094 reset). One builder, recordDelete.confirmCopy in @object-ui/core, takes the record (named via getRecordDisplayName + objectDef, ADR-0079) or a count, and feeds all three dialogs: the console list's row and bulk Delete (app-shell useObjectActions.deleteRecord + new deleteRecords, asking onConfirm with title/Delete/destructive), the record page's Delete (app-shell RecordDetailView sys_delete), and the registered object-view grid Delete (plugin-view deleteConfirmDialog). ConfirmationHandler options gain destructive?: boolean, which ActionConfirmDialog paints as a className override; ui/alert-dialog.tsx is untouched. Premise check on 0cfe772: H1 and H2 held (actionConfirm.* is shared, so its text is unchanged and delete got its own keys); H4 held (getRecordDisplayName reused). H3 corrected: the card's repro path never reaches plugin-view. The console list deletes through app-shell useObjectActions, whose runner confirm passes ONE argument, so that dialog could only be generic. The record page's producer is app-shell RecordDetailView, not plugin-detail. Both are fixed at the producer. H5: objectui#11728 was unmerged at build time, so the batch title uses the singular label + a count family mirroring bulkDeleteSuccess. It has merged since; see open_questions. objectui#8978: actionVariant landed on the alert-dialog RENDERER, while the ui PRIMITIVE has no variant, so both the card and the triage were partly right.",
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        "A: keep 'Delete {{count}} {{label}} records?'. The count agrees with a pack noun every language inflects (ru записи/записей, ar six forms). The wording matches the bulkDeleteSuccess toast that follows. No code change.",
        "B: switch the value to the plural label. This needs the plural label threaded through confirmCopy deps from all three hosts (plugin-view has no plural-label resolver). The count still cannot agree with a metadata label that has one plural form, so ru/ar read ungrammatically."
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Claim amendment — domain:ui seat 3, session_01CGZy1BGCjdN5cXqL9cnvB8, 2026-10-06T19:01Z. Amends claim 6021049528; branch, session and Clause-②: yes are unchanged.

File surface, widened to the producers the dev measured (PR objectui#11744 body and report): packages/app-shell/src/hooks/useObjectActions.ts (the console list's row and bulk delete), packages/app-shell/src/views/ActionConfirmDialog.tsx (the destructive paint), packages/app-shell/src/views/ObjectView.tsx (passes the translated object label to useObjectActions), packages/core/src/actions/ActionRunner.ts (ConfirmationHandler options gain destructive), the record page's delete in packages/app-shell/src/views/RecordDetailView.tsx (the card named plugin-detail; the producer is app-shell), content/docs/guide/console-architecture.md, and the census pin packages/i18n/src/__tests__/de-quote-pairing-3876.test.ts. packages/components/src/ui/alert-dialog.tsx is untouched.

Serial: this seat's objectui#11733 (related-list titles, favorites, back-link) waits behind this PR for RecordDetailView.tsx and app-shell ObjectView.tsx (seat post §3).

Seat answer to the report's open question: A. The bulk title stays "Delete COUNT LABEL records?" (the count and label placeholders), a count-agreeing pack noun that matches the bulkDeleteSuccess toast and reads grammatically in ru and ar; the plural object label cannot agree with a count in those languages.

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ACCEPT — domain:ui seat 3, session_01CGZy1BGCjdN5cXqL9cnvB8, 2026-10-06T19:15Z. PR objectui#11744, head c3110be.

PR shape: draft against main; first line Fixes #11695, no other closing keyword; Clause-②: yes at line start.
Scope: 25 files, all inside the amended surface (claim 6021049528 + amendment 6023399466): core recordDelete.ts / ActionRunner.ts, app-shell useObjectActions.ts / ActionConfirmDialog.tsx / ObjectView.tsx / RecordDetailView.tsx, plugin-view ObjectView.tsx, the ten locale packs (new keys only), the docs guide, the de-quote-pairing-3876 census pin, tests, and the changeset. packages/components/src/ui/alert-dialog.tsx untouched. No content/docs/releases/, no governed path.
Contract review: PASS 6023645097 on c3110be (all three faces; the bulk-title open question judged right).
Docs sentences checked against the head: in content/docs/guide/console-architecture.md, "A caller that asks the handler directly may pass options: title, confirmText and cancelText replace the dialog's generic copy, and destructive: true paints the confirm button in the destructive style" (matches ConfirmationHandler's options at ActionRunner.ts on the head: title, confirmText, cancelText, destructive); "recordDelete.confirmCopy … builds a title naming the record (or counting a selection) and a 'Delete' confirm label, and both the list and the record page show that copy" (the three call sites in the diff).
Changeset sentences checked: the one-record title by object label and display name through the record header's resolver (getRecordDisplayName, ADR-0079); the batch title by count and label; the "Delete" label in the destructive style; "The body is unchanged" and the record page now asking the same ADR-0094 reset question (confirmText reused); the three dialogs fed from recordDelete.confirmCopy; "new keys in all ten packs" (10 locale files, new keys only); "Other confirmations are unchanged" (actionConfirm.* untouched). minor on core, app-shell, plugin-view and i18n, matching Clause-②: yes.
Gates: CI on c3110be (head_sha equals the PR head): 43 runs, 40 success, 3 skipped, 0 failure; Lint, Type Check, Build & E2E and README Export Check success.
Open question (bulk title): A, answered in 6023399466.

Findings:

plugin-detail DetailView.handleDelete still confirms through native window.confirm → Acceptance notes (reach not measured through a public entry point; no carrier)
the delete-saved-view confirm says "Delete" in the primary style → Acceptance notes (styling polish; no carrier)
the record page's delete of a package-owned permission set toasts "Record deleted" after an ADR-0094 reset → Acceptance notes (pre-existing; reach not measured; this PR narrows it by asking the reset question first)
the bulk dialog body repeats the title's question → Acceptance notes (copy polish)

Landing: ready + auto-merge through the queue, now. This seat's objectui#11733 is serial behind this PR (seat post §3).

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Landed — domain:ui seat 3, session_01CGZy1BGCjdN5cXqL9cnvB8, 2026-10-06T19:35Z. PR objectui#11744 merged through the queue as 17acfbb.

Verified by content on objectui origin/main 17acfbb: git grep -c confirmCopy hits recordDelete.ts (4), useObjectActions.ts (2), app-shell RecordDetailView.tsx (2) and plugin-view ObjectView.tsx (2); control: confirmText in recordDelete.ts (10). The PR's only closing keyword was Fixes #11695, and it is the only domain:ui card closed in the window. pm:dispatched removed. This seat's objectui#11733 was serial behind this PR and is now free.

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delete confirmation does not name the record and confirms with a neutral "Continue" — the destructive alert-dialog variant is not used #11695

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objectstack-fleet commented on Oct 6, 2026

Triage: first grade — enhancement · priority:p3 · domain:ui · area:records · pm:queue. The delete confirmation names the record and confirms with a destructive, explicit action

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Triage: first grade — `enhancement` · `priority:p3` · `domain:ui` · `area:records` · `pm:queue`. The delete confirmation names the record and confirms with a destructive, explicit action